Petition to get ryano to stay
October 16, 2014 at 8:18 pm #71988The_HurricaneKeymaster
Please stay, Ryan. You keep us questioning and keep us honest.
–LeeOctober 16, 2014 at 8:54 pm #71989dyonisosParticipant
Of course I am here with Lee. I am always open for feedback from others, especially experienced guys. You contribiute a lot to this forum.October 16, 2014 at 9:12 pm #71990
you’re a sweet man Lee. I do mean that. and this is the only reason I’ve logged back it just to tell you that. and thanks Dyonisis too, and other guys.
but I’m not where I was 3 years ago. 3 years ago I needed forums like this. But then in past year I got some really weird experiences. like sex in a public bathroom after 20 minutes of meeting a girl, girl in my apt after 10 minutes having sex with me, group sex, many different girls that i had sex with on first dates (actually I -only- have sex on first dates) and other weird things and I was like “yep, I get it now”.
Here are some resources before I leave. Read these and just reread my posts. That’s all there is to it. i promise you..
This is who I consider to be my forefathers of “pickup” and who really made the biggest impact on me (and trust me I read every single pickup resource in the world.. i used to spend 5 hours a day for the last 3 years working on this shit). I used to do indirect/nonsexual stuff for 2 years but on my third year is when I started implementing more of what the guys below do and my results went thru the roof. And no, it doesn’t have anything to do with looks it’s more a polarization thing. I have friends that look like trolls have have gotten more sex than you can imagine with this mindset. friends of mine: guys in their 40s too that regularly get 18 year old chicks. Again, this is not mainstream shit guys. You’d be surprised what’s possible if you just seek it. anything superficial: age, money, status, looks, all that stuff doesn’t hold a candle to deep concepts such as polarizing and playing the numbers game.
1. Paul Janka. Getting laid in nyc is what completely killed my former world view and started getting me laid. yes he’s a good looking guy, but I know what he preaches has nothing to do with that. he runs the numbers game and he polarizes the fuck out of people.
2. Good Looking Loser. even though he looks like rocky balboa from the 80s. what he teaches is gold. http://www.goodlookingloser.com
Especially everything he has to say about “screening” which is huge. i personally dont even think he looks all that good. also check out his vids on youtube.
3.BoyToyStory (www.boytoystory.com) a kid in his early 20s that had sex with over 150 women. yes, he’s good looking -very good looking- but again this has NOTHING to do with results. I assure you of that. He’s just super sexual on his dates. He takes them directly to his apartment after meeting them. this vid was esp inspiration to me and completely changed the way I thought about EVERYTHING. Not trying to understand women at all.
4. Mark Manson. esp his book Models.
his views on polarization, and just being a real honest man with people and telling girls your intent.
5. Alan Roger Currie and David-x. They’re a bit too explicit about it (as I said in a previous post girls are all about implicit directness). But they put their INTENT out their. and intent is what it’s all about at the end of the day.
6. also sales books such as “Go For No! (Yes is the Destination, No is How You Get There)” is crucial, that whole mentality. SEEK REJECTION guys. rejection is really what it’s all about.
PEACE BROTHERS. this time for real! thanks again for asking me to stay Lee brought a tear to my eye. :’)
p.s age is also another superficial thing men worry about. yes more girls might be turned off to it. but that’s exactly where polarizing comes in. you’ll face even more rejection when you’re an older man but you’ll ALWAYS ALWAYS find the girl who’s down. look at hugh hefner, 80 y/o with 20 y/o playmates. and maybe some of them are gold diggers but I believe at 80 I could get 20 year olds just from polarizing and living in a big city. everyone has their fetish:).October 16, 2014 at 11:36 pm #71991MrAntiquityParticipant
If it’s an addiction thing and you need to take a break for sanity–by all means do what’s healthy for you.
But your input is really valuable–I agree with a lot of it. (not all 🙂
And the debates w/Lee keep us thinking. Basically everyone is right and no one is right–and that’s the way the dating thing works…ultimately you learn by doing things.
Hope you stick around though–even if you take a bit of a break.
–Antique ManOctober 17, 2014 at 12:34 am #71992SomeguyUKParticipant
Ryano please stay. I am literally sending this while I’m in a bar on my first ever instant date – – ok the girl came back from the toilet before I could submit the post but I have now left the girl but I got a make-out and it was fucking awesome.
Dude I probably wouldn’t have pushed myself as far as I did tonight without your sexual aggression and NGAF teachings! If you left, that would suck. Please stay.October 17, 2014 at 1:33 am #71993MrAntiquityParticipant
nice job, SG!
Your success can be an homage to RyanO 🙂October 17, 2014 at 6:44 am #71994
Thanks MrAntiquity and you SomeguyUK, your story gave me a big smile and inspired me to give you this LAST tip:
*AND I DO MEAN LAST* tip dammit!
Cause you’re almost there. you’re right on the cusp of “getting it” I can see it. And I just need to impart you with this last bit.
Your instadate makeout is good news. But it’s trivial, trust me. Just keep pushing that sexual boundary you’ll be amazed at how far girls are willing to go. They’re simply following what the guy’s lead/comfort level is. (as I mentioned in my NGAF post your comfort level is dictated by the amount of rejections/experience you’ve gotten in your past).
Your responsibility is to always get them to break decision nodes. Here are a few example decision nodes:
1. have them stop and talk to you
2. ask for the number
3. get them to respond to a text
4. ask them out on a date
5. be flirty on the date
6. be touchy/feely on the date
7. getting them go up to your apartment
8. making out with her.
9. having sex.
You can also see these as escalation points. I mean there’s many more, these are just general for the sake of example (and they don’t need to be in this order necessarily). Now it’s your duty (as the man/leader) to go through each of these points with the girl. She will NOT help you with any of them, like she won’t say “wanna take me up to your apartment?”. So basically, you just present them and see how she reacts. At ANY one of these points she can reject you. And that’s fine. (We just go with another girl if that happens).
But it’s important to at the very least PRESENT them as an option to the girl. Because you simply do not know what the girl’s boundaries are unless you atleast ask her. For example, let’s say I’ve had a fun date with a girl. Before we part ways I almost always ask “Wanna come over my apartment for another drink?” She either says yes or no. This is the crux of polarization. But I make *SURE* I atleast try to ask or present her with the option.
A great video that talks about this is:
Remember what I said that the amount of girls you’re sleeping with is linearly proportional to the amount of girls you are asking to come to your apartment? You will be surprised that the majority of girls will come up to your apartment, even if you’ve had a lukewarm date. I’ll give you some avg statistics. If I have a date with 4 girls, 2-3 will usually come up to my apartment if I so much as ask, and 1 is usually down for actually having sex. The main problem most guys have is that they aren’t willing to even ASK. (This is mainly due to neediness and not understanding that it’s EASY to get more phone numbers and more girls). You *MUST* be ok with the risk of losing the girl. And funny enough, girls will hardly ever be mad at you for atleast trying. If anything, if you DON’T even attempt to try they won’t talk to you again (as explained in my older posts).
So for example, I could have a girl over my place. I can try and go for the makeout but she won’t want to do it. Or I might try and get things hot and heavy but she just won’t be down. But it’s not like she’ll hate me for trying. Alot of the times she’ll just be ok to do it “next time”. But some girls, you’d be surprised, are sooooo horny they just can’t WAIT for you to take them to your apartment and do the monkey dance with them. That’s why you always need to atleast present them with that option.
Also how well you “flirt” will generally dictate how far up the escalation ladder the girl will be willing to go. If you suck at flirting she will most likely run for the hills. So it’s to your benefit to be very good at it flirting.
1. read boytoy’s diaries on his website. you’ll feel like a virgin if you read them. =)
2. read my post about “laying the pipe” – http://approachanxiety.com/forums/topic/how-to-lay-the-pipe-on-a-first-date/
And that’s that.. good luck!
p.s PLEASE don’t be upset if I don’t reply to any more messages. mb I’ll check back in a few weeks. I have other things to worry about atm. Take care guys and again, thank you for making me feel so welcome.October 17, 2014 at 7:13 am #71995
Oh and if I hadn’t mentioned it my dates are usually 2 venues:
venue #1. bar/lounge (or alternatively a cafe, a picnic, or sit on a bench somewhere, or go for a walk) flirt for 1-2 hours
venue #2. my apartment.
(although if I’m already at a bar/club for ex nightgame then it’s usually straight to my apt)
but dates generally–
** never a restaurant
** never a movie
** never activities such as golf or museum or whatever
Some guys like Janka or BoyToy just have one venue (straight to their apartment) on first date. So I’m still a newb 😉
p.s although now that I’m looking for a more substantial relationship I might make my dates more elaborate.. esp if i find the right girl.
p.p.s although I’ll still escalate cause all girls are horny regardless.October 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm #71996TedtedParticipant
Lots of things to study..
I am losing control of my time, I am an addict to all these invaluable resources out there..
Thanks again!October 20, 2014 at 3:37 pm #72077
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