god of pick up

[dyonisos]

This guy is definietly the best of all puas i have seen on internet. and i have seen them all. even if this girl is “no girl” from the begining he still can charm her with his extremely strong presence and confidence. true god of pick up.

[dyonisos]

this video is even better. this girl is really hard so it takes a lot of charm to engage her in conversation

[MrAntiquity]

seems like she started to open up after he said he was driving out to California–and the guy saw it as his opportunity to start flirting with her. It’s helpful to see where these “hook points” are–since the first 2:40 or so were just casual conversation with no sexual energy–but that changed later on.

[Tedted]

Interesting
And
Exhausting
So again the big question if this flirting led to some sort of dating…

[dyonisos]

Its hard to say if in these particluar cases it led to something. Even if you have solid interaction with a girl there are still many factors that are out of your control. its still a number game. that being said you can find a lot of videos he makes out with girls in the street. so if this guy dont get laid from cold approaching i dont know who does.

[MrAntiquity]

@Ted:

I don’t think it really matters. What struck me as useful was that the guy flirts with the girls and is honest about the fact that he’s flirting with them. You’re not going to go out with everybody but if you can let yourself do what he’s doing you shouldn’t have any dating trouble.

[The_Hurricane]

Here are a few things about these interactions that leave me unimpressed.

1) In his approach of the “hot older woman”, she’s playing along, but she’s not actually asking him much. She asked two questions, about the trip to California and about his age, and he had to prompt her for both of those.

2) He talked and talked and talked and then asked for a number. After all of that conversation, it would have been really awkward for her to say no, which is to say that we don’t really know how this will turn out.

3) This guy walks away knowing absolutely nothing about these girls. Nothing. The same goes for the girls. His qualifiers are very soft. Many girls will look at him and see a dancing banter monkey on a string. What are his standards? What are his deal breakers? What does he love? They’ll never know that because it’s just him bantering on.

4) It’s not that impressive when fit, good looking men approach women who are roughly on their level and manage to get them to do things, especially in a party atmosphere like a concert or a loud, drunk bar. Men who do this will tell you that women in these environments may make out with them but most often don’t respond to their calls. The makeout is easier to get than the date.

In none of these sets do I see women behaving like I’ve seen them behave when they’re really interested in a guy. Women ask questions, a lot of questions. They talk self consciously, trying to convey the idea that their lives are interesting. They compliment men. They are self conscious about things right after they say them. There are all sorts of clues that a man gets when a woman is interested, and I see none of them here.

–Lee

[MrAntiquity]

Lee–would you say that the girls in the videos were at least flirting back or not really? And if so, you wouldn’t necessarily read that as a good sign?

[dyonisos]

What i see is that you are very focused on verbal aspect Lee. While I dont insist those particluar girls were perfect sets you can see the vibe and confidence this guy projects in the interaction. I think the masculine energy and confidence is what most women reponds to more than words. Again I can agree that its not certain that any of those two girls were really interested in dating him ( inspite of initial texting back) but it doesnt change the fact that the guy’s game is tight.

Anyway can you recomand any better infield video examples of game out there?
I have seen most puas infields videos and they are far behind this guy.

[The_Hurricane]

This guy’s state is pretty good, but I would not call it great. He banters like a machine gun, which is a sign of insecurity. He initiates all of the topics of conversation. That’s why the reactions that he gets are what I call compliance. They’re not interest.

Interest is where the girl starts to initiate some of the interaction. In my sets, I actually deliberately drop the conversation several times to see if she’ll pick it up. That does two things. First, it’s a filter. But more importantly, it’s a sign of confidence when you don’t have to be the entertainment, the dancing monkey. Beautiful women aren’t used to it, so when they have to work a little for your attention, you get major points.

The reason the New York girl in the video tried to walk away without giving him the last digit of her number, and the reason he had to fight so hard for that digit, is that from the very beginning, he was the one doing all of the work. It means that throughout that whole interaction when he was bantering with her and teasing her, he never quite managed to capture her interest. She talked to him, responded to his questions, and stayed longer than she said she was going to stay, but he was never able to change the power dynamic from him chasing her to her, at least in some part, chasing him.

When women see men doing all of the work, they don’t say to themselves, “Wow, what a clever guy. He has banter lines for every occasion.” What they say is more like “Wow. He’s trying really hard and he knows almost nothing about me. He must not have a lot of pretty girls in his life.” That’s what women do! They use the correlates of the behavior of desirable men to decide whether you are valuable.

Now, does that mean that this will never succeed? Of course not. He’s not a bad looking guy. Some of the things he says are genuinely funny and clever. And his voice tone and body language are pretty good. But if I were a woman looking at his game, would I think “This dude is brimming with confidence!”? No. I would say exactly what that woman said. She called him a salesman because what he was doing was selling. She did zero selling and he did all of the selling.

You can’t be successful with women if your body language and voice tone are bad. That’s a given. They quickly betray the lack of confidence. However, once these are squared away, does what you say matter? Of course it does. You have to go on a date with that girl before you sleep with her, maybe even several dates. What does it say about you that you are willing to do this knowing absolutely nothing about how interesting, funny, or clever she is? It says that you just don’t have enough beauty in your life.

–Lee

[ryano]

I totally agree. He’s very clever with his words and banter but he over does it. I mean, if every one of your sentences sounds like it should have a comedic drum fill after it then it definitely indicates that you’re the one doing the entertaining and so the girl just sits back and watches you juggle the balls. and that’s a messed up dynamic.

besides, it would be quite a hassle going on a date later on, he’d have to be equally as jovial and witty. which to me just sounds like so much work.

if he would’ve come in and given her a simple compliment, asked her how her day was chitchatted like a normal person, he could’ve gotten her number quickly without all this negotiating.

[dyonisos]

Ryno. I remember Lee talked about giving a girl an extraordinary experience. Simple compliment and chitcat can get you number but we know numbers means nothing today.
I think he was quite stimulating her and led the conversation in funny and dominant way.

Lee. Is it realistic to expect a gril stopped in the street to contribiute to conversation qually? Unless she is very much into your looks I would say you have to do 90% talking at that stage to engage her in conversation.

As i asked before can you give an example of proper social dynamic managmenet?

[ryano]

an extraordinary experience? like shooting lightning rods out of your ass perhaps?

dude, you’re maybe the only guy in her life that has approached her during the day. beyond that, get into a NORMAL conversation, know how to banter/flirt (this is usually done through teasing or just commenting on something funny), and LEAVE. Within 2-3 minutes max. Hell, leave within 30 seconds if you can.

Don’t overdo it. And this bald dude overdoes it. Mainly for show because he’s entertaining thousands of guys on youtube.

That’s it. You don’t have to do anything else. And sure, it’s not hard to get numbers. Some flake, fair enough. But some won’t. And why would a girl flake on you.. is it because you didn’t give her an “extraordinary experience”? pfft. stop trying so hard. IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

[dyonisos]

I made 10 daygame approaches last week. Got one number that turned to be flake. I opened direct. 5 of them stopped and stayed in set. I had normal conversation with them. Only one gave me her number. Never respond to my text/call. So when Lee talks about giving them extraordinary experience I would like to know what he means.

[ryano]

That’s not bad. I’d recommend you do atleast 5-10 approaches a day to see any significant results though. That way you can have 7 numbers a week and atleast get a date or two out of it.

Hell even do 100 approaches a day, is anyone counting? Don’t ever compare yourself to anyone. Do as many approaches as you need to do it’s not anyone’s goddam business.

Be genuine man. You don’t have to give anybody an “extraordinary experience”. I would actually wager that the less you give them the more interesting they find you. I don’t need to “entertain” people. Esp. on an unproven girl. She just isn’t that important to me truthfully. And I don’t spend more than a couple minutes anyway. To me, it’s like that app “tinder” but in the real world. We just meet eachother and if we fit the bill we’ll go on a date. Not much more to that.

As far as your results. They will improve. I hardly get flakey numbers anymore but I used to get a ton.

But you think it’s easy to come across as completely “normal” though when you talk to a stranger?

It’s HARD. Took me damn near 2 years of alot of work to get to the point where they don’t make me nervous – at all. Also, it takes alot of work to get beyond the point where you think “10 approaches a week is alot”. It’s mentally exhausting when you’re just starting out. But it gets easier and easier.

And It’s hard to be free-flowing, like you don’t have a care in the world. But you can only be “free-flowing” when you’re completely comfortable. So that’s what I mean by acting the way you always are. Like for example, when you’re alone in your room you don’t question yourself or you don’t filter yourself, or when you talk to your friends. That’s what I mean. That’s how you want to be. The moment girls can sense you’re VERY comfortable with them is when they get interested, when you can convey “it’s no big deal”.

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