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Lee nad Ryano, i feel some chemistry between you both haha , i think you guys should meet and go approach some chicks togather.
“26? Really. You know, when I was your age, the only novels I read were the ones assigned to me in school. Is that you?”
is it for real? havent you read serious books when you was 26??? In fact i read most books including philosophical ones in my late teens and early 20s… I wouldn’t tell anybody that at age 26 the only novels I read were the ones assigned to me in school..I would feel like troglodyte 🙂
i agree with Lee here and this is what my experience is. this is not true that girls like sex as much as men. yes, they like sex with man they attribute value to. it can be just looks, or confidence but more often a status or fame.
i have a friend who is a well know local biker. he got looks and high status and girl literally throws at him, he don’t have to approach, they approach him.
anyway, he has a value in her eyes.
my point is most girls need emotional reason to get laid. for women sex is an option. sure, they may turn in sexual monster later on in bed, but not until you become valuable to them.
that is the difference between men and women. we – as the men- dont need a emotional reason to get laid, just hot body and cute face is enough to fuck. on the other hand, for girl there must be some kind of value that triggers her sexual side; and usually looks is not enough unless there isn’t something behind it.
sure, there are some so called sluts that fuck around but that is minority.
if some body tells that women crave for sex as much as men, hey, just look at prostitution market. what is female prostitute to male prostitute ratio? how about porn industry?
95% sex market is design for men. this is because men libido push us to load our semen no matter what.
that being said, i dont agree with Lee that chalanging is what most desriable men do. First off all, you keep operating this phrase. Who is most desirable men? Celebrities? Actors? Rockstars? I am pretty sure most of them dont care if a girl read books or not. As long as she is hot and want to fuck. Why should he care? Why should he bother to chalange her in the first place if he can have sex with her at beckoning of his finger.
so, what can we do? we can give in to caution and say goodbye right here, probably the wise choice. you can wait for a younger man to notice you on the subway. or we can meet for a good coffee and probably come to the same conclusion later…
this sounds like incongruence. you approached her and initiated conversation with and gave her a card to write you. reason you approached her was that she was young and hot, and young means that she is not experienced like you which is – as you say- what make you feel awkward.
now, you all of sudden start to do all that disqualifying becasue of age gap. its come accross as incongruent and week.
if presence of young women make you feel awkward why did you approach her in the first place?
Yes, its sounds familiar with automatic “no” response. Anyway it bothers me much more when they say “yes” meaning “no” just like when a girl gives me her number only to never respond to my text later. I would rather prefer to get rejected right away in person.
You asked for directiosn and then asked about buying her a coffee right away? It does not sound like your modus operandi Lee….
I was browsing through the forum and I chanced upon this topic from quite some time ago. I am now at 340 approaches, still 0%. Got a few more hundred to the 1000 mark. Then I give up
340 and 0 girls interested in you? And this is in a span of one year. I would say you are doing something wrong then.
“That said, if you are making out with a girl in a club, you’re usually half way to taking her home”
Not exactly. Maybe in some sexually liberated coutries that is true. But if you live in conservative country like Poland its still uphill battle. Especially if she has friends with her.
3 weeks? i canot promoise you anthing. i might get married to some wealthy princess and live on private island by this time.
Of course I am here with Lee. I am always open for feedback from others, especially experienced guys. You contribiute a lot to this forum.
I enjoy this disscusion. Its always good to confront diffrent points of view.
“I teach exactly two openers, Deep Thoughts and Conversation About Boys and one of them is just perfect for all of the situations you’ve described. To give you an example, I don’t run after girls on the street because that’s a hell of a lot of effort to spend on someone I know nothing about, but when I’ve done demos for students, I would walk ahead of the girls, slow down to match their pace, look over and say… you guessed it :-)”
Did you notice that hot girls are almost always fast walkers?
Sometimes its really hard to catch up wth them. To get ahead of them you literally need to run. Now, i dont see this opener really good in such situation.
Probably if you live in NYC you can easily find hot girls that are walking slowly of sitting etc but I am not so lucky to live in such big city. Most hot girls i see are walking and walking fast.
I believe in masculine energy and confidence as key element in attracting woman. I work on it. Anyway , it dont hurt to add something extra. Thats why I am open both on you and Lee points of view.
Lee, thanks for clarification.
I like spontaneous openers too. Lately i saw a girl taking a picture from her phone and opened her: are you taking a selfi? She hooked and got her number.
I am curious how you stop a girl walking towards you, do you stop her from front or let her walk past you and approach her from behind?
This is not an opener. This is monologue. The street situation is dynamic and this is not a podium. You should find a short line that will stop her. I am still figuring out the best way to approach moving girls other than direct. What gave me success in the past was direction opener with instant transition.
me: sorry, do you know where is x street?
her: bla bla
me: btw , i like your style.
This is low key complement which usually works better than high investemnt complements like” you are gorgeous” etc.
What its important at this point is to quickly engage her in conversation. Best way is to throw an assumption. Dont wait for her reaction too long becasue ( unless she is much into to your looks right away) she will use this as opportunity to say thanks and walk away. What i do is when they say thanks i say some assumption like” i hear an accent. you dont sound like you are from here”
Doesnt matter what she sounds like. It will create an opportunity to keep conversation going.
That being said, like Ryano says, your tone of voice, facial expression and vibe is crucial here.
Lee, when you use your “deep thoughts” opener you dont express your intent right away either, are you?