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  • in reply to: Overcome Nightgame Anxiety or Quit? #74147

    Cartoox
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    I’d suggest to Smile and wave across first. If the girl is receptive, that is, if she smiles or waves back, go up and approach her. Its ok to be a little nervous. If it’s a pair, talk to both of them.
    If she ignores you or gives you the cold-eye, forget her for now.
    Wait for the next one.

    Dress well, make sure your grooming is good. Her first impression of you is all she has to go on, so if you look ok, she’ll often be receptive.

    I would only do bars and lounges, where you can talk. not all bars will work for you, so do some legwork to find the ones that do……

    Clubs are completely useless and have a very different dynamic, which is focused mostly on suckering guys into buying girls drinks…don’t waste any time or money in a club.

    in reply to: Day Vs Night Game #74145

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    Why It’s Hard to Meet Quality Women Online

    or look up the article in the articles section…

    I dont do any online dating or dating apps….

    not being on any app actually adds to the mystique of a guy….
    instead of being defensive, simply say you don’t believe in them, that they cheapen and devalue human interaction….this will put the girl on the defensive instead…..

    have fun !

    in reply to: Day Vs Night Game #74142

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    Hi

    Just for a comparison……
    I live in a very fast paced modern financial center.
    Night game here, particularly over the past 2 years, is good pretty much only for one-night stands, if you can pull those off.

    The numbers I get from Night game these days are fairly useless. Getting a number means texting her, then inviting her for a date.
    In a big city with a lot of different things going on and multiple invitations, girls I meet at night very quickly become distracted, lost, or are otherwise busy with work and exercise schedules….after a few weeks of “sorry , I cant make it”, things fade out…..she meets other guys, I meet other girls, we are all travelling here and there…..any horniness she had at the bar when we first met has faded into reality with work and schedules and deadlines and arguments with clients and co-workers etc.
    Mind you, this is my recent experience with the girls who insisted I take their numbers. In other words, at that point in the bar itself, they were very into me…..

    I’ve pretty much stopped asking for their numbers unless I am really into them and there is a genuinely good reason for her not to be able to come home with me that night itself.

    The best results, in terms of connection at least, still seem to be from the daytime, since it really doesn’t happen much to girls anymore. It’s a novelty to be approached properly during the day.

    In the course of my night game, I will sometimes meet women who will tell me “hey, I know you , you came up to me at the (supermarket, café, street ) …..I don’t remember them, as they were part of dozens of girls I must have approached over the past 12 months. But they still remember and are thrilled by it. In the bar, these girls will often end up escalating me instead…..

    good luck !

    in reply to: This is not for normal guys #74114

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    something to remember when the streets feel harsh on a particular day ……Thanks !

    in reply to: Frustrating Flake #74078

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    I’d agree with Eric , She likes you but She’s into someone else. At best, You are option 2.
    The advice to ping her every couple of months is sound.
    Not because you hope to get a date out of it, but because being in the loop makes it easier for her, when she is horny and looking for someone, to contact you without feeling too awkward about her long radio silence.

    Other than that, I’d focus on any other action you are getting currently.

    in reply to: When and how to communicate I don\'t want an LTR? #73930

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    Lee’s answered that in the forum a long time ago, you may have to look for it.
    Being honest doesn’t mean being tactless.
    Have you actually been asked that question often ?
    My observation is that most women I meet don’t ask it unless they plan on actually getting intimate that night or in the near future…..in which case I tell them honestly that I value my freedom and respect theirs….
    I would not tell her you wish to get better at cold approaching women. That is your business and no concern of hers at this stage.
    You shouldn’t be asking who else she is seeing or sleeping with either …..
    Avoid discussing anything of this nature over text though. Too easy to be misunderstood.
    On an another note, you won’t get better at cold approaching by hanging out with women in your social circle. But you will get much much better with women in your social circle, if you have experience meeting and escalating women from cold approach.

    in reply to: Wait for Something Better #73928

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    “Because action motivated by insecurity is weakness. Neediness.” – That one line right there captures it all …!!!

    i was just thinking about this stuff , now that its year – end….last week went on a date with a girl that I’d met at the supermarket a few days before…..
    at some point I realized….i wasn’t really into her…..why do this to myself – painfully go thru the date till its time to go home…. ?
    an old admonition of Lee’s came back to mind – i dont recall the exact words but it went approximately :
    “approaching is cheap….Dates are time consuming and expensive…..screen only for the women you really want to be with”

    Thanks for the post & Merry Christmas Eric !
    all the best for 2018 !

    in reply to: Taking Action (Mechanics) #73861

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    hi
    how old is she ?
    her behaviour indicates immaturity and low self – esteem….
    i would ignore her for a while….
    eventually, if she is into you, she’ll either text first or sidle up to your roommates and try to figure out your current feelings towards her…..

    in reply to: The All-or-Nothing Mentality Kills Your Chances with Women #73857

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    Very true, Eric
    Even now, with all these years of approaching , I still feel it sometimes, especially on situations that I have not had much practice …

    I’m currently working on frontal street stops….I’ve broken it down into a few steps…
    The first step is to stay present, and look up ahead at what is walking towards me
    The second step is to physically stop once I see something in the distance that could be interesting…
    I notice an immediate and significant drop in my level of AA/nervousness once I stop first….
    Still working on step 3 & 4 , will update on this forum once I get those down
    Thanks


    Cartoox
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    Eric, that was fabulous !

    Guys, I’m gonna quote something Eric wrote on the blog a long time ago :
    “There is a natural tendency for guys to be self-protective. Women are used to guys who act on their fear all the time. They don’t make themselves vulnerable. It’s part of why online dating is so popular. There is much less risk for a guy to send an e-mail to a girl than to walk up to her and speak to her.
    Taking risks requires a willingness to risk disapproval. There is no such thing as “just being” confident or courageous. Learning to be confident is something that comes from consistent focused intensity, small baby steps out of your shell of self-protection. You will get rejected, blown-out, embarrassed, humiliated and creeped-out on your path to confidence.
    Are you willing to take that risk to be excellent with women? Are you willing to walk up to her and risk getting rejected? Are you willing to banter and have fun instead of being safe and boring?”……

    Online dating in my town is mostly apps, tinder and the like….I have never used these and never will…
    However I do keep in mind that every cute chick I meet now can get laid within an hour on these apps if she chooses to- this is very liberating in a way.
    It means that the only thing I have to attract her, is my vibe and my game…. So that’s what I focus on……& it results in a very different experience with these girls…higher quality women actually enjoy it when a man takes the effort to escalate physically and engage them emotionally…..and since she is into me despite having the option of easy sex elsewhere, I figure I can push the set much harder and faster….

    Going out often and approaching as part of my daily routine has made some forms of approach almost 2nd nature …..in particular girls walking in the same direction, girls stopped at cross walks, and women in bars and supermarkets….there is still a twinge sometimes , after all every girl is new, therefore unpredictable from a logical perspective , but in general daily practice and applying a philosophy based on what I learned from Eric and Lee works great for me….

    I rarely get harsh blowouts anymore….and the girls that disdain me tend to be the less attractive ones…..The more attractive ones are usually more positively receptive.

    The only use I have for Tinder is as a conversation piece
    When I see a girl typing away on her mobile, I will use it as an opener sometime “ you look like you’re checking out your Tinder matches !” – say that with a wicked smile….

    in reply to: Predator complex #73754

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    Hi Mr. A

    Good to hear from you…
    I feel it’s a fear of judgment thing…..as long as we’re not in a position to be judged by others – private situations – we’re fine…..but if there is a possibility of being judged negatively, ( according to conventional social “norms”) we get inhibited and start feeling weird ..
    AA , at a deeper level, seems to be rooted in a lack of self-acceptance…..this shows up as a fear of judgment or fear of rejection….
    When I see a girl that I should open but I don’t, I ask myself …Am I rejecting her – because I feel she isn’t attractive enough / the vibe isn’t there ,
    or am I rejecting myself – because I feel I’m not good enough ….? This helps put things in perspective….

    As I’ve worked on myself ( it never really ends does it ?) , my understanding of game has evolved…..I treat opening a girl as more of creating an opportunity for her to get to know me…..That’s our job as men…..to create and fashion the opportunity…
    Here’s an interesting quote I read ( from Zan Perrion ) :

    Sexuality without empathy, respect, charm, humor, listening = creep
    Sexuality with empathy, respect, charm, humor, listening = real man

    Like you, I’m in my 40s, but for some strange reason, this particular year I’ve had several 20 something girls come up and open me.…sometimes even on the streets ! – latest one happened this past Friday evening as I stepped out of the office building on to the street…so obviously age is not the issue for them

    Attraction is not a choice….if you like them and they like you….go for it…..the only way to get past that fear of judgment is to literally go thru it….

    in reply to: Advice on This interaction #73736

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    I wouldn’t overthink it at this stage
    Yes with parents around its always awkward….bet her mother asked her as soon as she returned who she was talking to….that’s just the way Moms are…..
    Visit her on a not so busy night at the bar and you’ll have a clearer idea, whether there is genuine interest or she’s just being friendly

    in reply to: advice please #73727

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    Eric – that is a genius insight ! yes, that was exactly it…..I felt inhibited, mostly because I like this girl more than usual…..
    Ironically, the inhibition and Frozen ness caused me to pretty much ignore her the whole night and remain unreactive to her attempts to restart the flirting…

    Thanks again !

    @ marshall –she hasn’t been mean to me in any way so this isn’t that kind of situation….its more her programming taking over at the last moment… and now my fear making me inhibited and frozen….when a woman is genuinely mean to me, which is rare ( I’m talking about women with whom I have some sort of relationship already, not those who blow me out when I open them – we all have those…) ….I prefer to focus my energies on finding the next one……while its not always easy to find someone you have a natural chemistry with, there are a lot of really nice , good looking girls out there…..

    in reply to: advice please #73720

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    Hey Marshall,
    good to hear from you
    All sharing of experiences is welcome, we learn from it all….

    most of us have moments of weakness, a residual of our social programming….particularly when it involves someone we have developed some level of attraction to….

    Its good to have this forum to air the issue out and get our heads put right again if we’re moving towards the wrong path…

    the idea of perceived value in a relationship – you might want to check out Sangremala’s post from a couple of years back, i think its called ” what to do ” & has brilliant input and insight from Lee…..

    in reply to: advice please #73717

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    Hey Eric

    Thanks a lot for the reply….your advice is spot-on as always…..i shall do as you say, wait it out……

    when i first met her, i felt she was playing a bit too much of a game and i deliberately did not take her number, to demonstrate i was willing to walk away despite the strong attraction….So it makes sense to keep up with that dynamic….

    the guest girl was fairly attractive as well….so that worked out ok…

    my lounge friend – not sure, but he’s never been very socially savvy so i wouldn’t bet on it…..

    I shall keep the forum up dated on any developments related to this one..

    thanks again for the great advice !

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