Social value

[dyonisos]

A part of structure Lee says about is showing your social value.
When Lee says “guess what i do” and then goes with his script finally telling a girl his is math proffesor its creates a lots of social value. Being a professor gives you social status.

The same when Lee refers to Justin Wayne as a good example of structured game. Justin Wayne also use similar self marketing telling a girl he is music producer which gives him a lot of social status as well.

What about guys with an ordinary job? For exmaple I work in sales which wont bring much social value.

[ryano]

The only “social value” you need is the ability to make a girl horny everything else is complete and utter bullshit. Don’t fall for that trap. Take care of your style, your body, your masculinity, your confidence. Find something in life that you enjoy doing. Your “social value”, err how you make money doesn’t mean shit to women.

We all know that a barman/waiter can get laid just as much, if not more than a lawyer. All this status stuff is a bunch of crap. What’s the social status exactly? You’re gainfully employed. That’s all you need. Everything else is Dumbo’s feather.

And Justin Wayne is about a music producer as I am an astronaut.

[The_Hurricane]

You don’t “need” anything. If you’re good looking enough, you can succeed with nothing. However, many disadvantages can be overcome with status and value, which is why guys who are not over-the-top good looking – guys who are not as good looking as, say a Paul Janka – incorporate some element of value and status into their game.

Even Janka, who is as good looking or better looking than the girls he approaches – he actually hit on a friend of mine on the street in NYC – sometimes makes reference to elements of value. In how many of his videos do you hear him asking for directions to the law school? Not a coincidence. He’s a lawyer.

I don’t know Justin Wayne’s day job, or if he has one anymore. His business may now be big enough so that he doesn’t need a day job. However, he sure mentions his day job a lot, in every set of which we have a full recording, and even in some sets of which we have only a partial recording. He does it the same way every time, too.

Coincidentally, Eric and I were in the cafe section of Whole Foods in Union Square and Justin Wayne was there with a student. Eric talked to him for a while. I hit on the two girls sitting at a table behind Justin. He heard my whole set, after which he complimented me on the way I described what I do. No, the set was not successful, but he liked the way I played it, a style that is very similar in structure to the way he plays it.

So, back to the question, what should you do if you have an ordinary job? It’s not the job itself that creates the value, but how you feel about it. I know plenty of professors in my program whose perception is that other people think they have a boring job. They never get laid. Their description of their work sounds like an apology. One even starts his answer with “Nothing exciting. If I told you the details, you’d fall asleep.” Terrible. A far cry from “I teach the secret language of the universe.”

The key to describing what you do is to make what you do exciting, show your passion for it, and use it as a qualifier to see if she shares your passion for something that’s exciting to you. Sales is a great example of a job that can be described as having no appeal whatsoever. However, it can also be described as “I convince people to do things they don’t want to do.” What’s the qualifier? Of course you’re not going to ask her whether she loves sales. But you can ask her “To do my job well, I have to really understand people. Do you think you understand people?” “Really? Give me an example. Something not obvious.” Totally different dynamic.

So, what do you do if you’re not at all passionate about your job? Suppose I teach math but it’s not my passion. What would I say? “I teach math, but my real passion is quantitative sociology. You know what that is?” Perfectly ok to have a passion for something that is not your job. Note that I immediately return to the qualification.

–Lee

[dyonisos]

Ryano
I believe in masculine energy and confidence as key element in attracting woman. I work on it. Anyway , it dont hurt to add something extra. Thats why I am open both on you and Lee points of view.

Lee, thanks for clarification.

[ryano]

Well I do agree you need to be positive and fun, it’s a far cry from what you’re asking though Dyonisis. You’re asking about “social value” and how it pertains to your profession. You don’t understand how to flirt, that’s the bigger issue here. Your social value is how fun and interesting you can make things. Nothing else.

You know how many times I’ve been in parties or bars and blatantly made up my profession. Like “I work as a male exotic dancer” or “I’m a secret agent” and the girls love it. I remember this girl I slept with I told her I was an ex-convict. I remember going into this elaborate story of how I hacked into government computers and sat in a federal prison for a few years. And I told her about my life in jail. And what it was like. At the end, right before I took her home I said “kidding! I just work as a programmer”.

Sometimes I’ll be at a club or bar and a girl will ask me what I do and I’ll just say “That’s boring. I don’t wanna talk about it.” and change the subject. She doesn’t care. We end up making out anyhow.

Or sometimes I’ll tell her the truth, but I’ll quickly change the subject to something else. Ie I spend about one word on what I do. And then change it to something completely different and we won’t even talk about “what we do” anymore. So is it necessary to talk about X all the time? of’course not. As the man, you decide what you and the girl talk about. If you get into a serious relationship with her you’ll have years to tell about her your stupid profession.

If anything, the less you talk about yourself and what you do in life the more fun the girl has. Especially if you’re good at making shit up and having fun with things and being flirty. Who cares what you do anyway? I can guarantee you that your day-to-day corporate job is nothing to brag about. Girls just don’t care about that stuff.

And sorry to break your “script” guys. But some of us don’t follow the same boring trite story every time we talk to a girl. Ok we get that you’re “uncovering the secrets of the universe”. I think you say the same thing to every single girl you’re talking to. But that’s just your script talking. You can literally say anything else and provided you have the right attractive vibe it’ll work.

[The_Hurricane]

@dyonisos

By the way, I’m not in the other camp. I also believe that masculine energy and body language are a requirement for all styles of social dynamics, but I also think there’s a lot more you can do.

–Lee

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