Make outs mean nothing

[dyonisos]

We all know that numbers mean nothing. But the make outs are equally worthless. From the five girls I made out in last months I got zero dates. When I say make outs of course I mean make outs in clubs and bars when girls are drunk.

Its not hard to make out with a girl when she is drunk in night life environment. The problem is when they wake up next day they don’t feel anything. Unless there were connection established you are just a random guy without any value. And its almost impossible to build a connection because of their drunkenness.

[SomeguyUK]

This is one of many reasons I think night game is a waste of time.

That said, if you are making out with a girl in a club, you’re usually half way to taking her home 🙂

[dyonisos]

“That said, if you are making out with a girl in a club, you’re usually half way to taking her home”

Not exactly. Maybe in some sexually liberated coutries that is true. But if you live in conservative country like Poland its still uphill battle. Especially if she has friends with her.

[The_Hurricane]

Makeouts do indeed mean nothing. Girls will allow you to take their hand, lead them around, even take them on an instant date. That is compliance. Compliance is better than non-compliance, but it’s not the same as genuine interest. On a date, some girls will sleep with you because of compliance… and then never see you again. That’s happened to many of my friends and, on occasion, it used to happen to me. I want to go on the best dates, or none at all. That is why I like to give girls plenty of ways to say no. I find that high value game is the best answer to this question of whether girls are really into you or just being compliant. If they’re really doing some work to hang with you, you will know they’re into you and not just complying with your wishes.

–Lee

[zhelyazko]

I am confused.

You guys say not to chase. But you also say to be persistent. I am having a hard time differentiating between when to do one, and when to do the other? Can you help?

Regards,
Zhelyazko

[MrAntiquity]

persistent–not INsistent. Chasing is like pleading almost–“come on–give me a shot. Please??’ Persistent is more matter-of-fact–you’re giving the girl a couple of chances. Kind of like if you go to kiss a girl and she rebuffs you–that doesn’t mean she’ll rebuff you again the next time. But in that moment, you should pull back and take the “no means no” mantra seriously. Some guys say “Oh, come on. Why not? come onnnn.” And maybe the girl gives in–but that’s not really what you want. You want her to meet you because she wants to.

So insistence/chasing is kind of pleading–persistence is more dominant “Hey–i’m going to give you one more shot–if it works, great. If not, ok.”

[The_Hurricane]

Maybe one in forty times that I’ve gone for the kiss has a girl said no. And by that, I mean directly going for the kiss. Why? Because by the time I go for that kiss, the girl has jumped through so many of my hoops that I know I’m going to get a yes. High value game is about making her jump through those hoops. If you’re not doing that – if you’re not starting to work early to reverse the power dynamic – you will have to chase her for that kiss, and you will have to continue chasing her if she refuses. Should you be persistent? I’d rather you were persistent with the rest of your game, the way you challenge and question her. If she makes it through that, you will need very little persistence to get a date or a kiss.

–Lee

[zhelyazko]

Thank you both. I think this makes it clear. I should focus on reversing the power dynamic. And I will try to notice the difference between insistent and persistent.

Kind Regards,
Zhelyazko

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