Is it just warming up?

[The_Hurricane]

Absolutely. Women are attracted to high value men. This is just as true of women who want a little on the side as it is of women who want a long term relationship. Statistically speaking, the most attractive age for a man is 40. It is no coincidence that women choose an age at which they can imagine a man with accomplishments and strong preferences for what he likes and doesn’t like.

–Lee

[SomeguyUK]

Guys, I found another good article on this by a dude called Tenmagnet:

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/2ny35f/the_qualification_manifesto_how_to_flip_the/

So I was thinking about this article today and when I approached a girl directly, I tried saying some stuff different to what I normally say. And guess what? I had some reactions from her that I have never had before when going direct.

I got a phone number from her – if I text her and get a response, I will give you guys a full write-up!

[ryano]

SomeGuyuk, I beg you… don’t fall into this shit. you’re so close.

anytime you hear the terms: qualification, push/pull, negs, or any of that pickup garbage just run the other way. you don’t need any of that shit. take it from someone who tried doing this qualification garbage for about 2 years, did the opposite and got even better results.

the moment you start doing things like qualification you’re simply just working for the girl. you become a juggler. although it seems that you’re qualifying HER it’s a phony act. and you know it. if the girl is a playboy model and you’re horny, do you really need to qualify her? of’course you don’t. because it’s bullshit. nature wired you to want to fuck her. but instead, you’re doing it because you think that’ll make you come across like you have “standards” to her. if there’s one thing that girls like is authenticity. but when you’re qualifying a playboy playmate it shows that you’re emasculated. (ie what guy WOULDN’T want to fuck a playboy playmate? if i had one in my room right now I’d fuck her I wouldn’t even need to know her name).

start getting laid with a ton of girls. girls will notice just by the way you walk and talk that you’re used to girls. that’s all you need. stop working for girls. just be true to what you want and you’ll find the girl that’s looking for that too. and trust me when i tell you, there’s PLENTY of girls out there that want what you want. more than you can handle.

although some guys in this forum (wink, wink) will tell you qualification is where it’s at. this is the major fault line of game. indirect vs direct. and it’s up to you to decide what path you take.

[SomeguyUK]

Well, thanks for your concern man, I see no harm in experimenting though. So far doing this I have got a bunch of numbers through direct approaches but none of them have ever got me a response from the girl. I have to do something to improve my odds.

The problem is, as I’ve said elsewhere on the thread, I find that if I go in and try and have a normal conversation (what do you do? etc) it bombs every time. I think it’s better to have something interesting up your sleeve.

[The_Hurricane]

@SomeguyUK

I like this methodology. Very similar to my own. I find that everything works better when you’re qualifying on your own real interests. When I meet a woman, I think about the date I’m going to have with her and what we’re going to talk about. Even two hours on a bad date is too high a price to pay for sex.

–Lee

[Cartoox]

My personal experience – just going direct and telling girls they are ‘cute’ is a good second stage exercise for overcoming AA…without something to continue to conversation, all I used to get was a “ Thank you “ and away they would go…..many of the direct coaches, will also advise to attempt to “ reverse the dynamic and present yourself as skeptical” as soon as possible….

Challenging girls , calling them out on their BS, and mostly maintaining my frame – this works much better….here’s an example …
I picked up a cute Blond at a salad bar ( using an indirect opener) and we sat to eat together. She had grown up on a farm in Virginia, and now she’d chosen an apartment in the city center. Tiny & overpriced. I just said, “yea, that’s what it is , you’re a farm girl, of course you want to live in the center of the city now ! “. I wasn’t even teasing anymore, just being blunt. She loved it…”that’s what I like about people from NYC, they tell it straight up like it is “ , and she asked for my number there and then.

[ryano]

That’s being assertive. I was mainly talking about how people see qualification as something they “need” to do to get the girl. As a technique.

I talk to girls just like I talk to anybody. They do not get special treatment. And I’ve found that it works just as well. So just like I talk to a friend, I’ll bust on them. but I don’t overdo it because they’re a girl and I won’t underdo it because I’m not assertive. They just don’t get any special treatment really.

The only difference is that I’m making moves on the girl.. through touch and flirting. but I’m definitely not changing my personality for them. And when people start talking about “qualification” like it’s some kind of technique they have to run, that to me is try-hard and LAME.

[zhelyazko]

I think you should alter how you behave to different people. I think it is not genuine to claim you should not. I mean will you talk the same way to your mother and to your boss at work?

Same for women. With friends I may make lame jokes and be super friendly, listening to them, asking them how their day went. etc. But with women if I am friendly it gets me nowhere.

If I tend to “be myself” and banter a lot that gets me nowhere either.

So I must be doing something wrong- therefore it is worth experimenting with different approaches until I find the one that works. So I appreciate the different perspectives. It helps to see how you guys view the issue.

[ryano]

funny enough, yes I talk to all of them the same. even boss and mom. They don’t change me one bit. only difference with girls is i escalate physically but that’s the only difference. I even give my boss lay reports he likes listening to my stories. i even talk about game with girls i go out with. and i talk about my other passions etc. if I encounter someone that doesnt like the way I am I next them (well except for parents i mean). but other than that there’s plenty of choices in the world you know. for every girl that doesnt like what im about there’s another that does.

[ryano]

as far as what you said “it gets me nowhere” i suggest you let your hands do the talking. especially when it comes to women.

[dyonisos]

Lee nad Ryano, i feel some chemistry between you both haha , i think you guys should meet and go approach some chicks togather.

BTW Lee,

“26? Really. You know, when I was your age, the only novels I read were the ones assigned to me in school. Is that you?”

is it for real? havent you read serious books when you was 26??? In fact i read most books including philosophical ones in my late teens and early 20s… I wouldn’t tell anybody that at age 26 the only novels I read were the ones assigned to me in school..I would feel like troglodyte 🙂

[sangremala]

Me: “No?! It’s only considered one of the most important novels ever written. Now we’ve figured out why you need me and all we have to do is figure out why I nee you.”

Lol smooth

But question what would of been your response if she would of asked well why do men cheat?

[The_Hurricane]

@dyonisos,

Yes, unfortunately, at 26, I wasn’t a particularly well read person, but hey, if they are, I am all the happier for it. I love smart women. The smarter, the better.

@sangremala,

I love talking about dating, cheating, and sex. These subjects expose the most interesting emotions and give me a lot of insight into whether the women I meet understand people. I have a bunch of studies and interesting facts in my head about these subjects so if a woman asks me why men cheat, we’re off to a really interesting conversation. In the interest of brevity, I tell her about a controversial study I saw and ask her what she thinks about it. Women love talking about that stuff.

–Lee

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