I Won’t Date Pretty Girls Unless…

by Eric Disco

vinegar.deviantart.com1This brilliant article is from my good friend Lee, by far one of the best guys with women I know.

You walk out of a coffee shop onto a bright, sunny street.

That’s when you first see her.

She’s just standing there, your idealized image of a woman.

You’ve been dreaming about this girl for years. She is physically perfect.

But before you can do or say anything, the clouds part and the booming voice of God asks you the following question.

How long do you want to spend with her?

It seems simple enough. You could say a lifetime, a second, or anything in between, but the answer is binding.

Meaning, if you say five years, you’ll have to spend at least five years with her. You may try to spend more, but you can’t spend less.

I’ve asked hundreds of men this very same question. Their answers reveal a pattern that ultimately cuts right to the heart of what it means to be good with women.

What I’ve noticed about men who are good with women is that they are often puzzled by my thought experiment.

“Do I know her?” they ask. “Who is she?”

They may want to know–among other things–if a woman is funny, smart, kind, or honest.

Before they know, they are willing to commit a few minutes–or, at most, a few hours–to find out.

Men who are bad with women seldom ask these questions.

They don’t care.

If a woman is beautiful enough, they are willing to commit to months, years, or even a lifetime with her.

Put simply, they objectify women.

There are two types of interest–emotional and sexual.

Men who have little experience with women often confuse the two.

Sexual interest is physical attraction. It’s what makes a man want to talk to woman, a complete stranger, in the first place.

Emotional interest is what gets a man to commit, possibly for a lifetime.

Until there is more information–until a man knows more about a woman’s character–he should not feel, and certainly should not express emotional interest. What he should express is sexual interest.

Men who are bad with women are willing to commit prematurely because they care about the outcome before they should care about the outcome.

The effect of this misplaced emotional interest is disastrous.

First, it puts too much pressure on these men.

Imagine walking over to a person who you already believe has all of the qualities that you seek in a partner for life.

vinegar.deviantart.com4The weight of the world is on your shoulders! The consequences of failure can be life changing.

Can you be your best in the face of such pressure?

Can you be confident, funny, charming, smart, spontaneous, and engaging with so much at stake? Very likely not.

Second, desirable women are very adept at detecting signs of emotional interest.

It’s not surprising that women would be good at this. It helps them quickly gauge the value of men.

And when they see signs of unearned emotional interest, they assume that the man standing before them is desperate.

In other words, men who feel premature emotional interest are virtually guaranteed to fail.

Men who are great with women have an entirely different experience. When they approach attractive women, little is at stake.

Not only does this make it easier for them to be at their best, but it is also easier for them to play the games that reveal a woman’s true character–games that include gently teasing and qualifying.

Women see these games as evidence that a man has high standards and conclude that he has a lot to offer.

If the benefits of suppressing emotional interest are so powerful, why do so many men fail to do this?

To see how bad ideas about romance have wormed their way into our culture, we can examine two very popular Hollywood story lines.

In the first story line, a man initially notices the inner beauty of a friend, and only later comes to appreciate her as a potential romantic partner.

He then begins to feel a sexual attraction.

Think about the un-reality of this scenario.

Is it ever the case that a man is somehow blind to the sexual beauty of a woman? Never.

We are programmed to notice. It is in the very apparatus of our cognition.

In real life, men first notice nothing but physical beauty, and only later come to appreciate the character of the woman who possesses it.

The second story line is just as unbelievable.

A man catches the eye of a beautiful woman–perhaps at a party or a public place–and when their eyes meet, we know–we absolutely know–that it will be love.

He begins to pursue her with the commitment of a man who is sure, and though he knows nothing about her, fate steps in to validate that commitment.

Scent_of_Dahlias_by_vinegarIn movies, love at first sight is hardly ever wrong.

Beautiful women are–almost without exception–clever, kind, funny, and trustworthy.

Think about this carefully.

Both scenarios have something in common.

They discourage sexual interest while encouraging emotional interest.

This is how our culture is telling us it wants its men to behave–with immediate and intense emotional interest, and suppressed–or at least deferred–sexual interest.

But unearned emotional interest is objectification.

Our culture objectifies women, and expects its men to behave accordingly.

What can men do to overcome this cultural programming? They should refuse to play by the rules.

Here are three important ideas that all men should attempt to internalize.

1. No matter how hot she is, she may not be good enough for you.

Think about your detailed preferences for, among other things, clothes, video games, books, movies, art, and music.

Your taste in women should be that detailed as well. Physical beauty is just one dimension of those preferences.

Think about your high standards for a new best friend. Would any handsome man qualify as your new best friend? No.

Your choice of a female companion should not be less important to you than your choice of a new best friend.

Don’t be so quick to lower your standards. She should be kind, smart, funny, trustworthy, loving, supportive, interesting, and so much more.

Think of some deal breakers.

What if she hates kids? What if she’s rude to strangers?

Internalize the fact that it is hard for a person to be good enough for you.

Respect your deal breakers! Walk away if she fails.

2. Be honest. Respect the boundary between sexual and emotional interest.

You think she’s sexy and you may want to sleep with her, but until she shows you more, you don’t want to marry her or even make her your girlfriend.

Remind yourself that your interest is sexual. Flirt with her. Don’t be afraid to touch her.

Your sexual interest is healthy and she knows it. She respects your honesty.

At the beginning, the only time you should talk about your future together is if you’re kidding.

You have no future with her until you decide she’s good enough for you, a decision you will make after she has qualified herself to you and revealed enough positives.

Until then, you’re just flirting.

3. Play games that will create attraction and reveal her true character.

You’re unsure whether she is right for you. It’s appropriate to tease and qualify her as a means of discovering what she’s all about.

For example, I read a lot. When I meet women who are much younger, I like to smile and say something like, “When I was your age, the only novels I read were the ones assigned to me at school. Is that what you do?”

This is partly a tease, and partly a legitimate qualification.

I really want to know whether she loves books the way that I do and the best way for me to find out is to playfully accuse her of the opposite.

Compliment her less. Teasing and qualification create attraction, not compliments.

Posted in Attraction, The Way Girls Think | 19 Comments »

19 Responses

  1. Cameron says:

    Thanks for this article. I enjoyed it. It has reminded me to raise my standards.

  2. David Black says:

    Great article. Couldn’t agree more. I especially love the part about premature emotional interest. You’ve hit the nail on the head with that point Lee.

  3. Nonstop says:

    Thanks Lee. This puts in words what I’ve been working towards appreciating women differently. The realization that while I may want to sleep with her, is she really someone I want in my life.

  4. KL says:

    “Both scenarios have something in common. They discourage sexual interest while encouraging emotional interest. This is how our culture is telling us it wants its men to behave—with immediate and intense emotional interest, and suppressed—or at least deferred—sexual interest. But unearned emotional interest is objectification. Our culture objectifies women, and expects its men to behave accordingly.”

    Fascinating stuff, Lee. Really interesting points. I would love to see this fleshed out a little more.

    It’s interesting, we typically hear from various quarters (certainly in the US anyway) that the sexual interest is the one objectifying women, and the emotional side is the “legitimate” or respectful one. But here you are arguing the exact opposite.

  5. Even with guest posts, this blog continues to amaze me with its quality. It articulated something I’ve been trying to explain for too long now, which will help me help some of my guy friends. Thanks.

  6. Lee says:

    @KL Yes, exactly. It’s hard to say how this happened, or exactly when, but somewhere along the line, we, as a culture, came to the conclusion that feeling physical attraction — something we do naturally, automatically, and immediately — is objectification. At the same time, we decided that giving love and commitment to a total stranger — a person we know nothing about — is natural and admirable. This is totally ass backwards. The good news is that deep down, women know that men who behave this way are less desirable than men who don’t, and therein lies the opportunity.

  7. Vic says:

    I was flattered, by these standards I’m actually good with women! Here I thought I was just lucky…That was good, healthy advice that should probably be given to every young man, especially those who have had their hearts broken for the first time.

  8. Matt Savage says:

    Wow, this really clarifies the same ideas I’ve had lingering in the back of my head for so long except explained much better. You really hit it out of the park by inferring that our undeserved emotional attraction is actually objectification… holy shit, what a concept!

  9. Print-report worthy. Great article!

  10. Rems says:

    Good article! But I’m not into “compliment less”. Compliment her if you feel like it and if it’s genuine. In my life what works best are compliments that highlights a skill that she’s got.

  11. suicide_blond says:

    just a theory here but Hollywood is filllled with squirrely drama dudes that never got laid in highschool …. so they may not be the best source for how-to info…
    im just saying…;-)
    so I really think the meat here is the why guys do this…and with a lack of male role models/the overall wussifucation of society combined with hollywood you may be onto something… the other stuff is kinda playa 101 by now isn’t it ???
    xoxo

  12. Lee says:

    @Rems Assuming you’re not complimenting compulsively – something that low value men tend to do – genuine compliments are fine. However, compliments do not build attraction because anyone can deliver a compliment. On the other hand, making her aware that you have pretty high standards and are willing to walk away if she’s not right for you does create attraction. And that’s why you should tease and qualify a lot more than you compliment.

  13. ps..
    liked the illustrations
    xoxo

  14. Lee says:

    suicide_blond You’re right. In terms of practical advice, this is pretty much in line with community doctrine. However, I don’t want men to ACT as if they are not objectifying women. I want men to ACTUALLY STOP objectifying women. To that end, understanding how and why men do this is more important than getting men to take a few simple steps to mask their self defeating behavior.

  15. Glock says:

    I really suggest visiting heartless bitches international.
    There are few articles about how emotional attraction is really emotional manipulation and objectification of women in general.

  16. Rivelino says:

    briliant. thanks for writing this.

  17. Nony says:

    Yeah Lee, that’s cool. This is why badass guys are so successful with women. The nicey-nicey behaviour really creeps women. It’s what we call DESPERADO disease. Showing emotions too early screams DESPERATION! Drop IT. Much thanx

  18. Rhys says:

    Hi Approach Anxiety. Just seen this site, and thinks that it looks very good but wanted to post a comment in order to find out why some girls are so playful, teasy and experimental with different guys. A lot of the girls who I know, just love to sleep around with most men, but although it sounds shallow minded & cloddish to say..is there more than what meets the eye? :) I know that I struggle a lot with personal communication as communicating is all about developing new strategies, and finding someone on your own wavelength but the question I hold to all commenters is ‘How do you gauge a woman’s body language, by telling that she’s interested in you? :) Although this sounds pretty daunting to say, I think some women love to be well known as a mystery. Amen <3

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