What NOT to Do on a First Date

by Eric Disco
Jan 14

I really like this video because it shows exactly what happens on a date when a tall, good-looking, pro athlete tries to get away with being too nice.

I’m warning you, it’s painful to watch. But there is so much juicy stuff in here, I couldn’t help break down exactly what went wrong.

0:59 He walks in and taps her on the shoulder. “Excuse me,” he says. This is something you say to a stranger. Instead, say “Hey” or “Hi.”

From then on, his body language is TERRIBLE. He can’t stand still.? He’s pacing back and forth the whole time. Notice him do this whenever he’s standing throughout the video.

When you talk to women, you want to stay planted with as little movement as possible.

Whoever moves the least has the highest value. Think of the way a parent is still while children are jumping around.

date31:13. He’s totally facing her here. Very awkward.

It’s like he’s getting a Christmas present and is about to open it. A guy this big should not be facing the girl directly like this unless he’s about to make out with her.

1:20. A few seconds later he shifts his body as they get ready to leave. This is how he should have been facing her when he first met her. Perfect form here, by accident, for one moment. She’s facing him, he’s facing away.

1:23. Boom, next moment, she takes the lead through the bar. Bad. He’s following her. This is what I’m talking about when I say chivalry is bad.

You take the lead.

1:25. They’re walking out to the car. He’s leading now.? Good.

1:34. “So what do you do?” he asks her when they get in the car.? TERRIBLE.

Start off with something more interesting than that. This is the most boring, predictable question in the world.

Or better yet, let her start asking the questions instead of seeking rapport yourself.

Also, notice his body language. His legs are separated. That’s good.

But his hands are fidgeting and weird. That’s bad.

In this situation, he would have done well to put his left arm around the seat and sit back in comfort, taking up even more space.

1:42. Tim says “I’ve never been in a strip club.”

This is the death knell of the nice guy: his compulsion to confess. He must confess to his niceness.

There is nothing else he can do. It’s all he knows when it comes to women. And he wears it on his sleeve.

It’s awesome to be different. It’s awesome the be proud that you’re different.

But there’s a time and a place to show that off. And if you do it, you need to do it in a manly way.

Here, he should have busted on her and turned the tables.

Something like, “You bartend in a strip club? Huh. I would have thought you work in a library.”

2:10. He talks about how he broke his arm. Awesome.

2:22. He asks “Do you do a lot of drinking?”

aplicarte.deviantart.com3Okay, not that bad.

But then he can’t help but again CONFESS his nice guy ways. The way he confesses to his non-drinking, he falls into her frame.

He may as well have said, “You’re probably not going to like this, but I don’t drink.”

What he should be doing at this point is QUALIFYING HER, flipping the script.

How do you do that?

There is a difference between the two of them. She’s a drinker and he’s not.

Well, is it cooler to be a drinker or a non-drinker?

It doesn’t matter.

You want to frame this so that you’re judging her for her drinking rather than her judging you for your non-drinking.

How do you do that?

Think about the negatives of drinking and ask her about it in a pleasant way.

“How do you find time to work out when you drink so much?”

“You’re not one of those girls who’s only hobby is to drink, are you?”

The fact of the matter is that highlighting your differences at this point can only lead nowhere.

We can all say that Tim Sylvia is a stand up guy and tells the truth, but the truth is, he wanted to fuck this girl, despite their differences in drinking.

You saw it at the end.? But his niceness gets the best of him. He confesses.

4:48. He gives in to her and starts drinking.

This wouldn’t have been so bad if he hadn’t CONFESSED at the beginning of the show that he doesn’t like drinking.

Now it seems like he’s compromising his principles for a woman he barely knows. Really unattractive.

5:21. She tells him to chug his drink.

Typical testing behavior.

Whenever a woman commands you to do something, your first instinct should be to say No.

Even if you want to do it.

This is true for the first ten seconds of meeting her all the way to when you are in a committed relationship. Nothing good can come of it.

When she does this, you MUST throw it back in her face.

“Wow, you’re telling me what to do already. Awesome, you’re like my mom.”

5:32. Here he’s gazing at her for an extended period of time while she looks forward.

date4If you’re looking at the girl for any extended period of time while she’s looking away, then there’s a problem.

Eye contact communicates attraction. By doing this he’s saying he’s okay with her not being attracted to him.

By doing this, he’s saying, “I still want to fuck you even though you might not want to fuck me.”

It demonstrates that he’s trying to win her approval.

He’s also communicating that he’s looking to her for the next move.

“What’s next?” she says.

“I don’t know,” he replies.

The good part about this right here is that his body is facing forward and not turned into her.? At least he has that right.

5:52. He says “Where do you think we are at this point?”

OH GOD. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.

This is probably the worst part about this date. If you don’t take anything away from this article, take this away:

NEVER, EVER ask a girl where you are with things or if she likes you.

There’s one way you need to find out this information:

Sexually escalate with her.

Make the move.

Any other way and you may as well be asking her “So what don’t you like about me?”

Believe me, she’ll think up things on the spot.

6:11. She tells him that she’s not sexually attracted to him and adds that it’s not a bad thing.

He says “That’s not a bad thing?” incredulously.

This is the FIRST time he’s disagreed with her all night.

This is the FIRST time he’s shown any balls.

Thank you!

Some balls!

But he’s only doing it because now he knows for sure it’s a hopeless cause.

aplicarte.deviantart.com5He’s the pouty nice-guy who didn’t get what he wanted because he’s such a great guy. He’s probably walking away thinking “Well, I’m still a great guy.”

Look at this moment that comes after he disagrees with her.

It’s the first REAL moment on the date. He’s actually saying what he’s thinking and feeling instead of being nice up to his ears.

Wow.

An actual genuine moment.

A little too late.

6:45.? She’s STILL going off on what she doesn’t like about him in the car.

Obviously some stuff was cut out here, but I’m guessing he pressed her as to why it wasn’t working out and so she spills the beans:

She’s not attracted to this 6’8″, good-looking MMA fighter because he is too nice.

This isn’t because she’s a lush or because this particular woman happens to like bad boys. It’s a fact of evolution:

Women aren’t attracted to men for their niceness.

7:03. He walks her to the door and stands there like a fool.

Mind you, this is after she’s been going on and on telling him what she doesn’t like about him.

Ugh!

Have you no pride at all, Tim?

You walk her to the door, even though she’s already told you, “I find you hideous.”

And then you stand there like an idiot, hoping she’ll all-of-a-sudden change her mind and invite you in.

He has no clue how bad he’s been rejected or what to do about it. He just keeps limping along, displaying his lack of aptitude.

God bless you, Tim Sylvia. You seem like a great guy. I’d love to have a beer with you.

But you’ve just displayed, very aptly, what being a nice guy gets you with women.

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posted in Attraction, Body Language, First Dates

COMMENTS
17 responses
Marc says:

Posting the video was good, but adding the play-by-play breakdown (what’s wrong, and why) every step of the way makes this great. Thanks!

Stephen says:

This is awesome.

I really got a lot out of this. Hope you do another one.

I’m a bit worried mysef now for the future though because I don’t drink and it seems I will have to up my game if the girl I’m gaming/dating drinks. Then again who has a hobby for drinking is not exactly classy.

Did you know what happened to the guy who they are showing next time (he was at the very end of the video): the one with the pink bra and asked the woman about “sex toys” because he seemed very confident.

You should think about doing your own tv show like this, maybe with the students who do your coaching course

afc says:

Classic. Thanks for the play by play cause I couldn’t bear to watch the video.

zeus says:

I don’t drink and not afraid to admit to it. And won’t give in to any requests or peer pressure. Stand your ground no matter what and you can still be respectful while doing it.

Karma says:

Ha, ha…nice…thanks for taking the time Eric…appreciate it!

Glenn says:

Love the play-by-play comments! Very instructive!!!

Mike says:

Great stuff here. Two thumbs up mate!!

Fraud says:

Wow, this is pretty solid proof that Eric has very limited experience with women. Saying excuse me instead of hi, not leading a girl through a bar, the orientation of a guy’s body, asking a girl about her job, you really think these things are important or that they will kill attraction? Why? Because you read it on a website somewhere? It’s not because you experienced it. That’s for sure. If you actually had success with women, you would know you can do all these things and others and it won’t hurt your chances at all.

And if you are so awesome with women, why do you have to resort to a video you pulled from youtube of some guy you don’t even know? Why don’t you have a video of yourself doing exactly the right things and winning the girl? It’s sad that you’re deluding all your virgin followers on here. Why don’t you come clean and admit to them that you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about And if I’m wrong and you’re really so awesome with women that guys should be paying for your advice, then you shouldn’t have any problem producing a video of yourself doing exactly the tactics you teach and succeeding. Something tells me no such video will be forthcoming.

nonstop says:

Classic hater example post ^ above.
[ http://bit.ly/hHrCvW ]

Show me ___________, in return I have nothing to put on the line because I’m not the one claiming anything.

Prove to (anyone) otherwise that he’s not. If you trolled these forums long enough, you’d know where to find the real life examples you claim don’t exist.

2/10 troll rating.

relentless d says:

I just loved the break down, genius idea for a blog post.

Fraud, I recommend you to do some heavy reading on this blog of erics. His excellent writing style, method of approach, dedication to this website is like no other. Its the only site I really look to nowadays since i’ve long sinced removed myself from the community years ago. This blog dates back to 2007 I believe and the literature that he has provided for us here alone is irreplaceable. He even personally responds to blog posts too, all at no cost to us. Who does that?

You’ve got about 3-4 years of material to read up on, start reading its not only entertaining or enlightening, but overall its just full of pure awesomeness! We as a culture need to start reading more anyways, we all just want things to be given to us on a silver platter and thats not how this world works at all. Besides, this video was a break down of what eric would do in his opinion. Did you even watch the video? This poor guy did x,y & z and still lost the girl. Although Im sure there there are numerous moments out there where you can drop the ball every step of the way and still score, this video totally does not back up your own argument.

Cameron says:

Its sad how the internet is full of trolls these days…………..

greenlander says:

Great analysis, Eric… I hope you do more of these.

German says:

Hi, Eric, I’ve been reading your blog for quite some time now, but never saw a post about posture. Can you (or any of the readers) elaborate more on this or give me a link to a post on this?

MrAntiquity says:

Fraud–

It’s not any one particular thing…it’s his whole presentation. He really doesn’t seem like a confident guy, doesn’t seem like he trusts his ability to get this chick, and really isn’t connecting with her at all but doesn’t seem to recognise it.

Sure, if you’re really confident there’s nothing wrong with some chivalry, etc. But this guy isn’t really contributing to ANY electricity on the date. She’s getting bored.

Jean Francois says:

This is a great post. The break down of each interaction and the explanation of what was wrong/good and why, as well as what he should have said.

I have to say this was a painful interaction to watch.

Please upload more analysis like this. Cheers.

kastor says:

link is broken.could you post in comment a new one,i would like to see it :D ???

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