You Have Not Seen Game

by Eric Disco
Sep 22

A good friend of mine, also a dating coach, relays a great story about game.

In learning game, guys with social anxiety often feel like they’re doing something surreptitious.

They feel that they’re not being honest or above-board just because they’re not being dopey and buying girls gifts or asking them out on a dinner dates.

But this is nothing.

I’m sitting in a bar with Nataly, a gorgeous, successful Ukrainian woman who owns her own business.

It’s our second date and I start talking about game with her. I do this with all the girls I’m seeing.

We look over at the booth next to us. A couple is on a date.

“Is she interested in him?” I ask her.

“Yes,” she says.

“How do you know?” I ask her. “What are the signs?”

Nataly starts saying the common stuff. She points out that the girl is leaning into the guy. She points out the hair-flipping and that the girl is punctuating the conversation with touch.

“We teach men to notice a lot of this stuff,” I say.

“That’s interesting,” she says, “and I can see the value in learning this. But you have not seen game like the kind of game that goes on in my country.”

“How so?” I say.

Nataly continues. “The number of successful, available men in Ukraine is very small. And many of these men are physically abusive. Because of this, there is a crazy competition among women to find good men.”

Nataly is right. I can attest to this.

When I was in St Petersburg, I saw how women dress. No matter what time of day, no woman is dressed comfortably unless she is in her late fifties.

All women are wearing heels, short skirts, perfect make-up and chest propped up and exposed. They are essentially dressing sexy in everyday life–much more than anything you see in the US.

In Russia and the Ukraine, the ratio of women to men is high, such that there are a lot more women than men.

On top of that, the alcoholism rate for men is much higher than for women.

The common plight for women is to marry a man who fulfills his Ukrainian destiny of alcoholism and spousal abuse.

It’s a very unhealthy environment for women.

Nataly tells me that she and her friends often go to exclusive upscale bars and lounges frequented by successful businessmen and socialites.

She describes to me some of the ways that men approach women.

A man in a nice suit will walk over to a woman and say “Can I have your number?”

They have no game. And it’s something women will actually consider because it’s so hard to meet decent men.

edinorog-abat.livejournal.comNataly tells me a story about a friend of hers. The woman finds out that a man is coming to town.

This man is a friend of a friend, a successful businessman who lives abroad. He lives on one of the Greek islands.

He’s coming into town and he’s going to be at a dinner party where all of these friends of hers are in a large group. She’ll get a brief chance to meet him.

But she doesn’t know much more than that.

So she hires a private investigator.

The private investigator starts to dig up this man’s history. He gathers all his public appearances, newspaper articles that mention him, what his interests are–far beyond what you could find on Google.

He finds postings online from friends, his high school grades, what he studied in college, and even gets papers he wrote.

They actually give money to teachers at various universities to dig up stuff that was required for graduation–crazy stuff.

Then they research his romantic history. They look at the women that he’s dated in order to figure out his preferences.

And this makeover starts.

She changes her style. She changes her clothes. She changes the way she wears and colors her hair.

It’s a complete make-over.

Finally she goes to a psychologist with all of this information and they build a psychological profile of the type of woman this man would like to date.

They figure out the kind of woman he would be attracted to and the best conversations to have with him.

She creates this entire new persona based on this information.

They figure out how to approach him, whether to approach aggressively or indirectly.

And she goes to this party. She meets the guy briefly.

Since she knows she won’t be able to spend enough time to connect with him there, she arranges an elaborate scheme where she later “randomly” runs into him in a bar.

It works. They start seeing each other. And shortly after that they get married.

As Nataly finishes the story, she turns to me and says “You guys think you have to play games here. This is nothing.”


posted in Self-Improvement Strategies, The Way Girls Think

9 responses
Axel says:

Haha, fantastic!
If I should ever get in a huffle with anyone who sticks their snout up at for learning game, I’ll know what to tell them.

Good stuff. And great artwork this time, too. Gotta go check that out.

Nonstop says:

Holy shit? Eye opening…

swgr says:

“Finally she goes to a psychologist with all of this information…”
I thought she went to go get evaluated cause she was nuts haha :D

KL says:

Man, no wonder Eastern European countries have shrinking populations.

OMG I just had an epiphany based on this article: why don’t we organize tours for anxiety guys to eastern Europe, where they can work on their skills with these deprived and frustrated women on the streets of Kiev and Moscow. The guys get practice with girls who are open (dare I say, desperate), and the girls get guys who know a thing or two about being polite and respectful.

Seriously, Eric, give me a call. Approach Anxiety goes international, lol.

Cameron says:

Now thats manipulation! :-)

Axel says:

I reckon KL’s on to something here! Haha.

Cameron says:

“OMG I just had an epiphany based on this article: why don’t we organize tours for anxiety guys to eastern Europe, where they can work on their skills with these deprived and frustrated women on the streets of Kiev and Moscow”

Lol, there is actually an Australian dude who organises travelling pickup workshops to these countries.

Aristokrat says:

Hi Eric,

I follow your blog on the regular base. But this article brought me to finally write here something.
First of all I am russian and yes all you are telling here seems to be pretty true. Although it has been a long time I was there, lots of confident sources of mine are telling similar things.
By the way thanks a lot for bringing me to BradP through your podcast, I am a 3030 member since 8 months.
So yea… What is bothering me all the time is:
We, the men of the western world, seem to bee too much supplied in the market that we are in. The market between men and women. Take me,
educated with masters, social, decent looking, speaking 3 languages, friendly, working out since 10 years, playing music instruments. All this is not enough to attract women in our world. Why? Why do I need to run and do 1000 approaches a year not even with a guaranty that it will become something. I am not wining here, I am taking actions since 2 years. I transformed into a powerful approaching machine. I took numbers out of sets of 5 girls within 5 mins. Its just strange that the women’s world doesn’t seem to appreciate to normal guy, raised by the society. You need to be something else.
There seem to be a low supply of proper men in eastern europe and women are like any species, they adjust them selves to this supply accordingly and need to invest more.
All in one, look at the majority of guys… most of them are helpless! Without pickup I would feel the same. I have a though all the time that is bothering me and I am questioning it all the time:
We are playing the games of the women here. All we do is trying to adapt to what they demand, sorry but this is what we do all the time. You would say this is not alpha, you should do what you want and you will be attractive automatically. But this is not the case. We wanted to do all our lives what our society is telling us and here is the result. We are focused to specifically study seduction to finally gain some control over women and get the ones that we want. So it looks like the qualities that we have are not good enough? I was playing with the though to leave the western world to detect the women somewhere else and so get automatically rid of the pickup. The thing is: Any mens powers are gone and don’t count anymore in our civilization. Being physically strong doesn’t count anymore, hunt animals even less obviously, protect your family physically and build houses is not needed. Only overdressing to stand out like an idiot and play the social interaction games of girls is what gives you power. Are social, fine intrigues and interactions the true skills of a men? Of course not… Girls are doing this shit since they are 10 in the school. Guys are used so solve conflicts physically and really fast. But after the fight its peace…Girls fight with social instruments and intrigues, different negative interaction and carry their conflicts for years.
But us, guys are learning it right now buy specifically studying social dynamics, women’s psyche and other things, that a men in my opinion should not care about a lot… sorry guys. So we all have the choice stay here try to master it and see what comes or… leave the countries either its states or us and see something else. It sound ridiculous I know but can you suggest something else? It looks like each of us needs 4 years of seduction training to become really good in it. We neither have time no money and why should we do it? What do women do? You just see a huge investment of the russian girl from your story. What they else do is evaluating you all the time as they would decide about everything in this world. And now think about it, why are them always the one who decide? Why? Why do they have so much power that causes to create a complete movement of seduction gurus endless books and product to help the men. There is obviously a dis balance and I still don’t understand why is this the case. You can maybe boil down it to the alpha theory. The men who fucks 10 chicks and all the betas are getting something and this is how the nature just is…. Should we think like this? May be… at least it sounds biologically logical to me.

We are just in a system that doesn’t appreciate us, how we are and how we have been raised.
There are endless systems out there that appreciate other qualities but bring other problems that we don’t have here. Eastern world with their women is one of them. Everyone can decide by himself what he wants. Bringing a girl from there is one option, yea and you still need to be good enough to hold her for years and this is where our seduction knowledge and identity improvement comes into play again ;-) .

So yea, I am still dedicated to master this part of my life and hope to meet you Eric one day here, in NYC. To meet some women together and apply all that we have learned and trained for so hard.
I wanted to give all you guys this thoughts of mine after two years doing seduction training as my biggest part of life besides my job.


Aristokrat from NYC

Craig says:

Hi Aristokrat, You can check this guy’s blog, who is a PUA no more, to find something insightful.