10 Rules for the Perfect First Date
Eric Disco
Wow.
This girl is different from all the others.
You’ve been on dates before, but they didn’t really mean anything compared to this girl.
Now it’s ON!
All of a sudden you start to scramble.
Where to go? What to do?
You ask your friends. You search the internet.
What do you do on the perfect date????
Here are ten rules to make this simple and easy.
Spend as Little Money On Her As Possible. You don’t want to pick up an expensive tab for a woman. It sets up the wrong tone. If things happen, she wants to feel like she did it because she wanted to, not because she felt obligated. The date is about getting to know each other, not you showing off how much money you have. If we meet for drinks, I’ll pay for their first round. I’ll say “I’m paying for the first round; you pay for the next five.” And I let her pay for the next round of drinks. Believe me, it won’t put her in the poor house.
Never Take Her Out to Dinner On the First Date. If you pay for dinner, you end up pressuring her. If you split the bill, you could look cheap. But aside from this, if you’re sitting across from her having dinner, it leads into the traditional relationship where you’re a suitor and she’s evaluating you. Meeting for drinks or coffee sets you apart. You are seeing if you like her as much as she is seeing if she likes you.
Make It As Low-Pressure As Possible When you Invite Her Out. A “date” is a pressure cooker of expectations. When I set it up, I don’t call it a date. I tell her we’re meeting for “a drink”–singular–not “drinks.” I usually follow up the invitation with “and you better not get me drunk and take advantage of me” or “…if you think you can handle it.”
Don’t Take Her Out on a Friday or Saturday Night. On those nights, you’re competing with all the noise and all the partying. She will expect high-energy fun. I prefer a Thursday night or a Sunday night when the expectations are relaxed. Other non-weekend nights of the week are good also.
Take Her Somewhere Quiet. If you met her at a loud bar or club, you want to get her out of that environment for the date. You don’t want to meet up with her again at a loud place. You want to go somewhere quiet where you can sit and connect. The first date is for getting to know each other.
Take Her Somewhere Comfortable. Find a place with couches. You want to sit next to her, not across from her, so there can be a lot of physical contact. Avoid awkward hard chairs, or sitting across from each other at a table.
Take Your Dates to the Same Place Every Time. I take all my dates to the same place. It’s a cool bar, a little bit of a dive feel, but there’s artwork hanging up. There are couches in the back. And it’s usually not too loud. I’ve been going to this place for years. I’ve had a lot of success there, so I feel really comfortable there, like I’m in my living room.
Never Meet Up With Your Friends or Her Friends. Unless it was agreed on from the start that it would be that kind of date, do not meet up with her friends or your friends under any circumstances. It’s the kiss of death. If she wants to meet up with her friends, I would leave her at that point. It seems innocuous but I’ve had more than a few dates ruined by this. If she really likes you, she will be alone with you.
Find a Place Not Too Far from Your House. If things start to happen, you want to be within distance of your place. There is nothing wrong with going back to your place on the first date. If you do take her back to your place, you’ll want an excuse. Any old excuse will do. The idea is that you don’t want her to have to take responsibility for the interaction.
No Matter How Awesome and Special She Seems, Don’t Try to Make the Date Extra Exciting. When you meet a fucking amazing woman and you’re going to go out with her, you may feel like you have to take her on a really cool date, like jet skiing around the statue of liberty. And then trampolining in central park. No, I don’t care how fucking hot she is. Have boring drinks or coffee in your favorite spot.
This shows how much you value yourself that you can do something low-key on the first date. Sure, you could play pool or miniature golf or do karaoke. That’s okay.
But the point is that YOU are what’s interesting on the date. Your interaction with her should be the focus, not showing her a good time.
If she’s meeting with you for a date, she is already attracted to you. You don’t need to show her how fun you are by taking her somewhere exciting. In fact, the more boring the surroundings are, the more you can connect with each other and get to know each other.
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I usually let a guy pay first date and wont offer to go dutch unless i dont really like him that much and know i probably dont want to see him again if he immediately accepts and doesnt at least try to be chivalrous will likely seal the deal as it indicates he is either probably also not really got the intention of a second date where u could square things out a bit or if he is then he is simply tight or just not very experienced in how to make a woman feel like a woman lettin him pay gives me chance to say am takin u out next time to let him know i like him if i really like the guy it also puts me in a situation where i can pick a second date where i feel comfortable Also its nice to be treated like a woman sometimes with a bit of good old chivalry when lets face it most women have to be men at work all day we want to be reminded also if a guy cant afford to take u out the first time or at least even offer is it cos hes dating so many girls he simply cant ie hes a player its a massive turn off! And to the guy advising that woman really need to be reminded they are not that special and they need to have their esteem lowered etc bla bla bla yes if u want an insecure girl that has esteem issues which would respond positively to that behaviour i agree is a good strategy but if thats what u r lookin for in a date u probably should ask yourself y and what it says about your own esteem levels
if a woman makes spending money on her an issue, then I feel free to ask her what business she is in. She’s actually behaving no different than a prostitute who wants to be paid upfront. But, big difference, a prostitute keeps things at least straight an honest.
It is absolutely NOT necessary to ever spend more than $10 on a woman before having sex with her.
I have done this a number of times. In fact, if you figure out your whole game in such a way that you don’t spend much, you will succeed much, much more.
Don’t listen to all the mooching gold-diggers here – they just want a free ride, but are really attracted to the man who knows better than to spend money.
I’m getting sick of this rape culture.
Most rape accusations are false.
Why can’t we have sexual equality???
Because you are not pretty enough for guys to be interested in you.
I always notice that it is the ugly women who whine about some imagined ‘rape’ culture, but the pretty women (the ones who actually are at risk of rape) never whine about some imagined ‘rape’ culture at all.
That tells us that ‘rape’ is just a bogus ploy that ugly women use to get attention.
Lisa,
You don’t know anything about how women think. And no, being a woman does not mean you know how women think (quite the opposite, in fact).
As a forty-something woman, I want to know a man is seriously interested in me. He should absolutely take me to dinner.
A 40+ woman (well past her expiry date) is lucky to have any man want to spend time with her at all. Don’t be unrealistic and expect a dinner.
Your ‘tips’ on dating are so ignorant that a man should read them as an example of how to NEVER listen to a woman’s advice, especially a woman who is way to old to be interesting to most men.
It strikes me that only women disagree with the advice given. Does that say more about women or about the advice?
“I’m getting sick of this rape culture.
Most rape accusations are false.
Why can’t we have sexual equality???
Because you are not pretty enough for guys to be interested in you.
I always notice that it is the ugly women who whine about some imagined ‘rape’ culture, but the pretty women (the ones who actually are at risk of rape) never whine about some imagined ‘rape’ culture at all.
That tells us that ‘rape’ is just a bogus ploy that ugly women use to get attention.”
JJ, this is a truly ridiculous, offensive and stupid comment.
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Spot on. I always pay for my dinner and dont mind shouting rounds. I cant understand women who think theyre entitled to a chunk of a man’s paycheck.
Low key dates are the best way to get to know people.
Alright people, as with most commenty blogs it all turns to dribble eventually, so back to the actual topic at hand, datiing advice…
Obviously, there is not one set of applicable advice which works for everyone in every situation. I think this is good advice for a certain age range and cultural context. It’s a great starting point which can be built upon.
Each different set of suggestions will undoubtably attract different types. Some people want a princess to pamper, some want a mommy, and everything in between. So your strategy should match your intentions. Also consider long-term vs short-term prospects and behave accordingly.
Now to the point: me.
I’m a 34 y.o. Portland woman, 90% gay, “dating” for the 1st time (after yrs of serial-monogomy begun with sex-on-first-dates.) I have a lot to offer: attractive, smart, funny, and evolved. Most the women I’ve met have been the same, but here I am in the situation originally described. I met someone who is ALL THAT. Really. She’s a professional athlete, super awesome personality, and we do this time-warp thing in conversations where suddenly hrs have passed… yeah.
Point is. 3rd date.
1st date, coffee (dutch). 2nd date, she bought me tasty lunch.
Is it unreasonable to take her to “cirque de la symphonie” the next (third) time we hang out. Tickets start at $50 ea for the back seats… this is probably a bad idea.
Pros: symphony is nice and expresses an appreciation of culture, and she’s taking classes in acrobatics, so it shows I’m paying attention to what she’s into. Also she’s a bit fixated on her career so I feel like a little extra romance will remind her why I’m there.
Cons: take her someplace nice but get crappy seats? No more budget for din, but I could cook for us. No talking during spectator events. Setting the bar too high for future expectations. Showing too soon I’m really into her.
Then again, I’m all for shared experiences cultivating bonding. And if she is my future-wife we can always say…”remember when…”
Alright. Thanks! You rock.
Sugarplum,
I would save that for a fourth or fifth date. And I would definitely save that for after you’re sleeping together. You really want to avoid anything that seems like you’re trying to impress her. She wants a bit of a challenge, to feel like she still has a bit of work to do winning you over.
That being said, I don’t think it would be a tragic mistake. She’s obviously into you. She bought you lunch. If you do go ahead with it, frame it as “i got these tickets, do you want to go with me.” In other words, inviting her along to something you wanted to do and maybe would have done anyway. This way you avoid the inevitable “nice guy” issues (or nice girl in this case).
Eric
if a chick is attracted to you, just being around you/meeting for a drink should be enough. chicks who expect a date and dinner and all that are either broke, or aren’t interested enough, so the bait is the free dinner/drink.
yeah, Like she’s not into me but she just wonts to go out for a free meal
I think this advise is AWESOME. As women, we’re always being told to value ourselves and never give too much too soon and I always felt that men should live by those same rules.
FANTASTIC!
Trying to make the first date extra exciting is synonymous with seeking validation. I learnt that the hard way. Wish I would have read this post 2 years ago.
This is hands down the worst dating advice I’ve ever heard. If you are a man, please take what this guy has to say with a grain of salt.
“Spend as little money on her as possible.” To me, this says, “Make her think your poor so she won’t expect much.” I’m no gold-digging whore, but if you like me, dote on me a little bit. It’s not something I’m going to come to expect, but it’s our first date. I’m not saying you have to buy me $200 concert tickets or take me to a restaurant that’s $70 a plate, but pay. It’s just the chivalrous thing to do.
“Never take her out to dinner on the first date.” When a guy asks me for drinks for our first date, I don’t exactly assume that he’s trying to get me drunk enough to go home with him, but it’s in the back of my mind. If he asks me to dinner, I know he takes me seriously.
“Take your dates to the same place every time.” It was around this point that I started wondering if this was a serious post or not. If you have a place that’s special to you, I get it. On the other hand, shouldn’t it be about making me more comfortable? Taking me to your favorite place to “bring all of your dates” gives you the home field advantage. Plus, I have this image of you as a regular to this establishment bringing a different girl in there every time. Ew.
“Don’t try to make the date extra exciting.” The kicker. Of the first dates I’ve been on, the ones that stick out in my mind were the most exciting. Anyone can pick a place for dinner, but adventurous men are more appealing. Yes, I want to get to know you better, but I can absolutely do that while kayaking, horseback riding, going to an arcade, or between sets of a local rock band.
Having made these points, a lot of what was said is true. Make sure you have the opportunity to talk and connect. Do not meet up with friends, it will kill whatever connection you have going. And yes, as presumptuous as this sounds, make going to your place an easy and accessible option. (Just in case.)
Absolutely, you want to be adventurous. Going to an arcade is a great first date. I like to go to a bar where there’s a pool table. It’s fun to do on a first date.
However, what would you think if a guy took you kayaking or horseback riding on a first date? Think about it. You just met this guy in a bar, or at the supermarket, or even got introduced through a friend. If you don’t know each other that well, if you haven’t sat down and actually talked for a while–really connected, him doing something like this is creepy.
It’s too much.
It shows that he doesn’t have friends he can do this stuff with. That stuff is fine for maybe a second date, definitely a third date, but to take her with you on a first date to something that involved, shows that you’re treating her special–without her earning it.
Eric
ERIC, THIS IS A LOAD OF SHIT. IF YOU WANT A RELATIONSHIP WITH A LADY THIS IS NOT THE ROUTE TO TAKE. MEN TAKE NOTICE!!! THIS MAN MORE THAN LIKELY GETS NO SECOND DATES, HINTS THE I TAKE ALL MY DATES TO THE SAME PLACE. HE’S APPARENTLY NOT MARRIED. IF HE KEEPS THIS UP HE NEVER WILL BE. AND WITH THIS ADVICE THERE IS NO NEED TO BE CLOSE TO HOME. YOU WILL NOT, I REPEAT NOT, GET LAID. AMANDA AND ALLIE, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
HOW OLD ARE YOU ERIC?
@deidra Think about what you and your girlfriends are saying. All a man has to do is spend enough money and he’s convinced you that he is thoughtful and sincere? Heck, if I were a man with a few extra bucks and not a whole lot of ethical standards, I might consider that an easy way to get on your good side. You must have made a lot of mistakes in your romantic life because you have it completely backwards. The biggest jerks are going to the ones who play on those expectations, take you to the nicest dinners, bring you flowers. Why? Because it’s easy. It’s a matter of a few extra bucks and some meaningless gestures. You know what’s hard? Not buying your way in. Making a real connection through conversation and some quiet time together in a very ordinary place. What Eric is talking about is finding a woman he can impress with his personality. You asked whether Eric is married. I’m speaking for myself here but I’m sure that Eric would agree. The last girl with whom I’d want to spend the rest of my life is one who can be so easily fooled.
As a whole- coming from a lady who has dated very wonderful men- this advice is terrible.
Women want chivarly and initiative. Trust me.
What we care about is that you:
a. planned something
b. pursued us and treated us like a lady
c. picked a weekend day (if you take us out on a weekday, you portray that you are spending the weekends with someone else)
d. treated us special (when the manager of your repetitive venue says ‘oh another new girl’, thats not good)
Be a man and go after what you want. Good luck!
It’s so sad that the author of this article hates women. It looks like he thinks all they look for is a guy’s wallet, or its content. Hence so many ideas on how to protect deep pockets of hard-working suckers (make her pay for the second round!). Ha! Mr. Eric, believe me, there are women who meet men not because they can drink for free.
Thanks a lot.
@Alex: it’s not about hating women. It’s about demonstrating that you’re not trying to buy their attention. Trust me. Most of the times, if you do some expensive spending for her on the first date, it’ll come off as trying to buy her affection even though it may not be what you’re thinking. I’ve been there before and it didn’t turn out well for me.
I thought this was a joke when I first read it (‘how to lose a girl in 10 days, etc). You’re a real catch, Eric
Eric, you know this article is dead on precisely because it has pissed off so many women. Women love to hate the men they have to chase… almost as much as they love to love them :-)
Haha, so true what Lee says. It’s also because women (and men, to a lesser degree) have been conditioned and programmed by the culture to associate lovey-dovey stuff with relationships. Whereas we are concerned with generating sexual attraction and turning women on sexually. It’s a totally different ball game. Nature versus culture.
Seriously? This article isn’t about dating someone, it’s about seducing them! If a guy made me pay for my own dinner or suggested we go back to his place “for any old reason” – I’d run away! Seriously – this article is a joke! I warn any guy that reads this article to disregard 90% of the advice. The only kind of girl these tricks will work on is a cheap one!
It’s your prerogative if you choose to sleep with men for a higher price. I date women when they are interested in my company.
Eric
ugh…feminists. I got a first for my dissertation defending Angela Carter’s brilliant prose from the scorn of feminists saying her writing was an attack on men.
So personally I’m not going to waste my energy in arguing against their absurd cackle.
Girls, if you prefer whimps and pussies then you date them. We don’t criticise you dating them and you don’t criticise us dating quality and attractive women.
Steve
Notice there’s this whole consensus reality going on whereby every point of view which opposes the one alleged to be “true” is dismissed.
If you are a real man, why would you ever care about feminists ?!!
If you find an issue with them than look no further then inside your mind It’s you!
my .2 cents
Guys, the girls who are complaining about this article are not feminists. The feminists I know would be fine with a simple drink in a dive bar. They don’t want to be bought, pampered, or spoiled. The girls complaining are the high maintenance girls, the girls who want men to give them an ego boost. The tragedy is that the obsequious men they attract quickly become boring to them. Only when they meet a man who is initially a little skeptical about them – a man whose love they have to win – are they truly happy. The psychology of the erotic works like this: The stronger the taboo, the greater a woman’s pleasure when she finally surrenders. –Lee
@Lee
I know.
It is amazing how many of these complainers , technically speaking , operate with the mindset of a prostitute without even being aware of it: you pay me an indefinite(!) amount upfront and then you may or may not get sex and even love in return. Whores are way more honest and fair.
Ironically most women do this in order not to appear cheap and easy …
I think its ridiculous to compare women who want men to buy them dinner to prostitutes.
I think the tips are about half correct half wrong, from a girl’s point of view.
I actually agree with one of the lady’s comments above; when a guy asks a girl out, he should pay. And when a girl asks a guy out, she should expect to pay. And please don’t complain and say that girls never ask guys out. Once beyond that initial stage, girls are very comfortable in asking guys to go out and do a certain activity. I absolutely expect myself to pay when I am the one who picks up the phone and asks the guy to go “bowling” or “coffee” or “biking” with me; cause I wanted to; though on many occasions, most of these guys won’t let me pay. If that’s the case, I would try to sneak out and buy some ice cream or coffee for us during the date.
I have to admit that when guys don’t want to pay, it hurts my self-esteem a tiny bit; it implies that he doesn’t think I am worth his money or time? Sometimes it is a culture thing, here in North America, going Dutch seems to be more common. In Asia or Europe, 99% of the guys would not let me pay during dates. I try not to judge guys base on whether or not he pays for the dates, cause maybe he is really going through some difficult time financially. However, it just looks bad in public when a girl has to pay; maybe you boys don’t notice it. Often times, girls get weird looks from the waitress or waiter or just fellow diners when we pay, it’s like we are not worthy, we have to pay for guys to go on dates. That’s the primary reason why girls don’t like paying. That’s why I often buy gifts for my ex bf (things he needed) instead of paying for activities we do; he takes care of those. He and I both felt very comfortable that way. He felt like a man, and I felt like a lady; and we both contributed =)
Boys, general rule of thumb. Don’t embarrass a girl in public. If money is an issue, take her to less expensive places. 99% of my gfs agree, we rather go eat at restaurant A (casual dining, Total $20, guy pays it all) than eat at restaurant B (a bit fancy, Total $40, guy pays $20, girl pays $20). You can see, in both situations, the guy pays the same amount of money. But the girl is definitely a 100% happier going to restaurant A. Going Dutch also makes her feel like you can be just friends or strangers; there is no sense of togetherness. Many of my gfs and I use this strategy; let the guy pay for a couple of times, then we pay; and just take turns. But splitting the bill is ultimately the ugliest things to do in public for a COUPLE, or SOON-TO-BE couple.
You may disagree with what I say, but this is advice from a girl. And asking you to pay the tab on a $20 dinner bill is NOT MATERIALISTIC! Gold diggers want diamonds, jewels, purses, not cheap dinners or affordable activities. So don’t call us materialistic. We are just a bit traditional =)
Sometimes I think if the guy asks you out he should pay for sure, but I’m always inclined to offer, just in case. It’s best when he declines the offer. As a girl, you have to understand, we might technically make similar salaries, but I spend money on hair, nails, makeup, clothes, and getting it all together, which most guys really don’t have to worry about. If all these things are done to look my best on our date, I expect you to be a real man and gentleman to be aware of these things. So, the extra effort on my part to look good for you=you prepared to pay. Now, I do think girls should at least offer but it’s a big turnoff if you don’t decline it. This is an ideal situation. But, nowadays many girls want to feel that they don’t need a man to take care of them or worse feel obligated but I think the guy should always pay more and put more into planning, ect. It’s only fair while we spend out energy on looking out best and relaxing for a moment, it’s best when you feel you don’t have to be taking care of things. I know many men that would be offended if I offered to buy them a drink, even if he had just bought me one. It’s different types of men and a different set up for how the relationship is going to be. About going close to your house, no way should be harder for you more relaxing for you, go to her.
“Spend as little money on her as possible” – I don’t think this is good advice. The comment about I’ll get the first round, you get the next 5, would not go down well with me on a date… at all. I think this guy is missing the point that on a date, especially a first date, girls want to feel SPECIAL. Same sort of applies to your thing about taking every girl to the same place every time. If this girl really is “different from all the others”, you should let her know it. Sure, relationships and getting to know one another should be relaxed and low-pressure, but there is room in every relationship for making a girl feel special, we love it. And if you’re not going to do it in the beginning, when will you? (well, that’s me anyway.)
@Clare When a guy blows more money on you or takes you to a new place, do you really “feel special”? I feel a little sad for you if you do because you’re focusing on something that men can easily do – blow more cash – and ignoring something men cannot easily do – make the date about figuring out whether the two of you are really compatible. Girls, get this through your heads: If a guy feels you’re special before he’s had a chance to get to know you, you are being taken for a ride. The only thing an honest man can feel before he gets to know you is that he’s sexually attracted to you. The rest is what that first date is all about. If a man is willing to blow big bucks on you and take you to a fancy restaurant, the only thing you can say about him is that he’s trying to impress you. He doesn’t yet think you’re any more special than any other hot piece of ass he’s met on the street. –Lee
From a woman’s standpoint, this advice is PATHETIC. You may have been lucky enough in the past to get laid from your own advice, but I highly doubt you ever seen any of those women again. Maybe this is good advice for a one-night stand, but NOT if you want a serious relationship. And WTF is it with you to put down every woman on this pathetic site, calling her a FEMINIST or UGLY, just because she has a voice. A woman is NOT a man’s play thing. It’s men like you that make a straight girl wanna re-think her sexuality!!!
OMG!!!!! This is the worst article ever, no wonder some men are jerks and they don’t want put effort in dating or getting to know someone!!!! This article is good advice for one night stand!!!!!! Grow up people!!!!!!!
Women screaming ‘Foul’ tells me exactly one thing: it works!
Natasha gets to know men quicker if they lay out some cash. Um. Yes, that’s the correct interpretation.
–Lee
Crystal thinks men trying to buy her off is romantic, and gives her a voice.
@Crystal and Natasha–
I see nothing in here that’s offensive, or objectionable. It says: Go somewhere fun and low-key, and essentially don’t try to buy the girl. It also says that the interaction between the guy and the girl is what’s important–not the other stuff (i.e. $$$$).
Not sure what this has to do with one-night stands, or serious relationships? Advice here can work for either.
Unless by ‘effort in getting to know someone’ you mean forking over the dough? What if I just gave you the dough, dispensed with the frills, and we went back to my place? Oh wait a minute…..there’s a word for that….
I’m 25 years old, single and in all honesty, way too busy to be stressing over a fancy date, wondering all day what it is I’ll be wearing…
I rather put on some hiking clothes, go for a hike and have a cup of coffee afterwards. No pressure relaxing fun.
I like to get to know someone as a friend first anyway, interviewing someone over dinner doesn’t exactly work for me.
I think we give too much importance to the “first date”, I don’t really care for that, I feel special enough with the guy wanting to spend some one on one time with me, even if it is over Starbucks or a walk by the beach. I think we are missing the point here, which is to get to know each other and really try to find out if you are compatible enough to begin a relationship, or who knows, maybe you just click as friends and stay that way.
Here’s an example, I’m going on a “first date” today. We are going to the shooting range and then to get a bite somewhere.
Susi here is a good example of someone who gets it. This article really does have its merits, and I definitely believe in it MORE after reading the comments of people freaking out about how they don’t think it is useful/correct.
I have had a girl chastise me for not taking her out much during our relationship, and I agree that I may have been a little cheap in hindsight, but even with learning from that mistake, I still can recognize that a date, especially the first date, is about furthering connection, not some “girl applies standard of how she thinks man should act/how much he should pay,” because this shows how little they care anout actual connection/compatibility. If I am on a date, I want it to be low pressure fun/conversation where we can get to know each other better, and it seems reasonable that a girl should want this too.
Any decision to go somewhere after or for me to pay later should feel natural, not like an obligation (exactly how if we hook up at the end of the night, she shouldn’t feel forced because she ordered something super expensive and I had to pay for it)
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I believe if there is ever two opinions that are different, it proves we are humans and to ever assume that any “advice” is universal is just as dumb as the women who complained that the advice sucks…. Um, it sucks for you but not all women or man kind. Please, don’t talk for a whole gender, to me it makes you look bad, I personally think people that complain are less attractive than those trying to help other with advice. I hope you note that I said “I personally” instead of saying “everyone” I talk for myself and not all man kind.